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#227648 - Sat Aug 09 2003 02:46 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
MisterJLA
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Hey whomod:

Did you notice that European nations were in that list? Italy, United Kingdom, Spain? Sure makes a lot of sense that they would be involved in a plot to devalue their own currency, which was at the heart of the article's ridiculous argument.

I listed the other nations to debunk the other argument: that the decision to go to war with Iraq was something that President Bush supported all on his own, and that clearly wasn't the case.

Try to keep up, partner!

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#227649 - Sat Aug 09 2003 02:51 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
JQ
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MisterJLA: You're the first one to make any sense. How do you know they're not just "jumping on board with the Americans and hoping for some trickle-down effects?"
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#227650 - Sat Aug 09 2003 04:35 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
Irwin Schwab Moderator
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you cant know, any more than you can know the author of this pieces hypothisis, there is no way to know its all guesswork, i would say the author of this piece has a huge anti US bias thats why he took the time to write it...
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#227651 - Sat Aug 09 2003 04:38 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
MisterJLA
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I can't imagine any trickle-down effects that would be worth devaluing your own currency!

It just doesn't add up.

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#227652 - Sat Aug 09 2003 05:57 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
whomod
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterJLA:
Hey whomod:

Did you notice that European nations were in that list? Italy, United Kingdom, Spain? Sure makes a lot of sense that they would be involved in a plot to devalue their own currency, which was at the heart of the article's ridiculous argument.

I listed the other nations to debunk the other argument: that the decision to go to war with Iraq was something that President Bush supported all on his own, and that clearly wasn't the case.

Try to keep up, partner!

quote:
President Bush this, President Bush that. Here's a list of countries thay supported America's action of removing Soddom from power:

So did you list all those countries to show popular support for removing Sadaaam or did you do do it to debunk the initial article?

Try to keep up.

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#227653 - Sat Aug 09 2003 06:14 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
Irwin Schwab Moderator
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you really have run out of ideas havent you?
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#227654 - Sat Aug 09 2003 06:15 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
Mr. Lesbo
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Ummm, how much oil do we get from Iraq?
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#227655 - Sat Aug 09 2003 06:18 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
Mr. Lesbo
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Don't forget the December 16th 1998 speach that Bill Clinton gave. I gues Al Gore forgot about that. It was even on TV. Hummmm, does the left have memory loss or do the have selective memory? He talked about everything GW Bush did back in January of 2003.
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#227656 - Sat Aug 09 2003 06:48 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
MisterJLA
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"So did you list all those countries to show popular support for removing Sadaaam or did you do do it to debunk the initial article?"

That was one of the points of the article...that Bush decided upon this either exclusively, or with minimal support.

quote:
Summary: Why is George Bush so hell bent on war with Iraq? Why does his
administration
reject every positive Iraqi move?

quote:
America’s Bush administration has been caught in outright lies, gross
exaggerations and incredible inaccuracies as it trotted out its litany
of paper thin excuses for making war on Iraq. Along with its two
supporters, Britain and Australia,
it has shifted its ground and
reversed its position with a barefaced contempt for its audience.

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America’s allies in the invasion, Britain and Australia, are betting
America will win and that they will get some trickle-down benefits for
jumping on to the US bandwagon.

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President Bush did promise to protect the American way of life. This is
what he meant.

Why not mention the Congressional vote? Why equate US policy, with the beliefs of the President? Why not mention the other countries, other than Australia, and the United Kingdom?

The author tried to paint a very narrow picture of the participants of the war, and that clearly wasn't the case...more than two other nations thought that this was the right way to go.

That's why I listed the countries, whomod.

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#227657 - Sat Aug 09 2003 08:51 PM Re: "It's not about oil or Iraq..."
JQ
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I can't imagine any trickle-down effects that would be worth devaluing your own currency!

It just doesn't add up.

I think you're right, it doesn't add up. But the neo-conservative/Bush explainations don't add up either.

I still think one of the biggest, if not the biggest, reason behind this war was to further the United States' economic dominance. But like BSAMS said, it's just guesswork.

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Don't forget the December 16th 1998 speach that Bill Clinton gave. I gues Al Gore forgot about that. It was even on TV. Hummmm, does the left have memory loss or do the have selective memory? He talked about everything GW Bush did back in January of 2003.

Why do you guys always bring up Clinton to:

a. Make Bush sound better by comparing the two.
b. Try to knock down the credibility of an arguement.

Left-Right politics go beyond Clinton-Bush politics.

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