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#1122392 - Mon Jul 12 2010 04:13 PM Re: Lesnar post match comments [Re: Nöwheremän]
Grimm
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 Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
 Originally Posted By: Grimm



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Wrestling has always been considered more kid/family friendly (with the exception of ECW and CZW, and look how big they made it),


that has nothing to do with the statement, and it's wrong.

Actually, I would say you are very wrong.
To anyone who does not wrestling and does/or does not watch UFC, wrestling is viewed as something you grow out of when you are a kid.


to non-fans, yes, there is that perception. but how often does perception actually equate to reality? the majority of the people you see at shows are adults. there is a large adult audience for wrestling. yet, they have no product on television at current that caters to their interest.

as I said earlier, the linkage between wrestling and mma is very close. Dan Severn was one of the top UFC guys in the early 90's and held the NWA championship as well during that time, mixing both.

Heyman was ahead of the curve in promoting Taz as a UFC type wrestler and bringing in an actual fighter (Paul Varelans(sp?) to face him in ECW.

Mahon attempted the same with Shamrock and Severn later on, but didn't know how to promote them properly at that time as they were not heavy with talent that could properly work with them.

also, Shamrock actually trained for wrestling before going into UFC. he trained in florida with the Malenkos.

this is not even taking into account the more recent crossing over and similarities. they may not want to acknowledge it in their promotions and MMA fans may cry otherwise, but the two are actually very closely linked.

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On top of that, the bulk of people that are into wrestling now, got into it as children.
Not that many people get into wrestling as adults.



this is true, it's also irrelevant to the point.
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#1122394 - Mon Jul 12 2010 04:19 PM Re: Lesnar post match comments [Re: Nöwheremän]
Grimm
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 Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
 Originally Posted By: Grimm



since MMA heavily involves grappling, that being actual wrestling, I'd say this is erroneous as well.

The grappling has nothing to do with it, its how people view it.
Wrestling is viewed as fake, so is avoided by those who do not consider it a sport, whereas MMA is real, like boxing, and appeals to a very similar crowd.


the grappling has a lot to do with it. from two different standpoints. 1. it's reeducating the audience to the actual effects of real wrestling moves, making them more appreciative of seeing those moves in a wrestling match (instead of simply chanting "boring!", which was a frequent occurence in the 80's and 90's).

2.) it provides the MMA fighters with a larger moveset to potentially pull from during their matches. I've seen at least two different MMA fighters use a powerbomb in a match, and more than a couple use suplex variations. now where do you think those moves came from? not from boxing or deluded fans. . .

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While wrestling fans are very likely to become MMA fans, MMA fans are not so likely to become wrestling fans.


I do agree with this. a great deal of wrestling fans have turned to MMA to get their "fix" in recent years. myself included. but the majority of MMA fans at this time are not into pro wrestling. but since the majority of pro wrestling fans are also not into pro wrestling right now. . . I rarely feel compelled to make the argument or "educate" them on it.
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#1122403 - Mon Jul 12 2010 05:11 PM Re: Lesnar post match comments [Re: Grimm]
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Its ok to admit you are wrong, seeing as the bulk of your points actually back up everything I have said.
Nobody will think any less of you.
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#1122902 - Tue Jul 20 2010 12:05 AM Re: Lesnar post match comments [Re: Nöwheremän]
Grimm
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that all you got? constantly stomping on Snarf and Sukkboners has made you soft, CC.

as a final note, who did Dana White say he wanted to be like as a promoter? Don King or Vince Mcmahon? Mcmahon.
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