#1111079
- Wed Mar 17 2010 01:39 PM
Anti-Obama 'Birthers' May Get Spiteful Slapdown by Hawaii Government
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Wonder Boy
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Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers'
- By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Writer
Wed Mar 17, 2:48 am ET
HONOLULU – Birthers beware: Hawaii may start ignoring your repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born here.
As the state continues to receive e-mails seeking Obama's birth certificate, the state House Judiciary Committee heard a bill Tuesday permitting government officials to ignore people who won't give up.
"Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, chief of the Hawaii Department of Health's Office of Planning, Policy and Program Development.
So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.
Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.
But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday.
A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they're told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.
Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
The issue coincides with Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.
"Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?" asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. "When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, 'We're now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'"
Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.
Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person's question once.
If the measure passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual a "vexatious requester" and restrict rights to government records for two years.
The committee will schedule a vote on the measure, said Chairman Jon Riki Karamatsu, D-Waipahu-Waikele.
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The measure is SB2937.
I'm sure that Hawaii's government being as liberal as California has nothing to do with it 
Again: Despite Obama's not volunteering his birth certificate, two newspaapers in Hawaii had his birth notice posted, and that's good enough for me.
This is just arrogance on Obama's part, not providing his birth certificate as demanded.
And arrogance of the Hawaiian government, in making it easy for Obama to spite voters who legitimately demand Obama's birth certificate, in accordance with what is required to be elected.
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#1111103
- Wed Mar 17 2010 08:24 PM
Re: Anti-Obama 'Birthers' May Get Spiteful Slapdown by Hawaii Government
[Re: the G-man]
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Wonder Boy
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At least in our lifetime, until Obama, there's never been a president whose U.S. nationality has been in possible dispute. But presidential candidates are required to show proof of their native-born citizenship, to even be eligible to run.
(Oddly, only his rival John McCain comes close to having his native-born eligibility in question, since he was born on a militasry base outside the U.S., and I recall an element of the left questioning McCain's eligibility during the 2008 campaign at one point)
You're right, though, that Obama plays to his base and makes the birthers look like wackos by simply not providing the proof that I'm fairly certain he could provide any time. While I think the request is legitimate, it still is providing nothing but posturing and political theatre.
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#1111106
- Wed Mar 17 2010 08:32 PM
Re: Anti-Obama 'Birthers' May Get Spiteful Slapdown by Hawaii Government
[Re: rex]
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the G-man
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I think its you. Like or not, this is an political issue that some people care about and this is a "politics and current events" forum.
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#1111109
- Wed Mar 17 2010 08:49 PM
Re: Anti-Obama 'Birthers' May Get Spiteful Slapdown by Hawaii Government
[Re: the G-man]
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Wonder Boy
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presidential candidates are required to show proof of their native-born citizenship, to even be eligible to run You have a citation for that? I'm not saying you're wrong. But I've never heard of anyone having to do that.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=66787
I've seen multiple articles on this subect over the last 2 years, mostly on worldnetdaily.
The mainstream media prefers to just label the birthers as wackos, and ignore the legitimacy of the issue they raise.
I'm not a birther, but I think the issue they raise is legitimate.
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#1111112
- Wed Mar 17 2010 09:09 PM
Re: Anti-Obama 'Birthers' May Get Spiteful Slapdown by Hawaii Government
[Re: Wonder Boy]
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the G-man
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There's nothing in that WND article that says a candidate has to "show proof of citizenship" to run. The article is about the general concept that a president must be a natural born citizen.
I'm looking for a citation to the specific law that says presidential candidates are required to show proof of their native-born citizenship, to even be eligible to run
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